Hi Clockpuncher, I tested image quality and found that uploaded JPG look a bit better than PNG for high contrast images. Such as images with a sky that changes from dark to light blue. The Fandom wiki compresses images so the contrast gets worse than the original. Uploaded PNG images have more noticable lines. So maybe we should use JPG instead of PNG. PNG retains quality when resized (less artifacts) compared to JPG though.
I don't think it's a major issue. Fandom doesn't have a preference between the two. Almost all of our images are resized in articles anyway, and it only takes two clicks to see the image in its full resolution if one desires to see it. While quality images are important to accurately represent the game, I don't see any significant benefit to going out of our way to make the images look art gallery-worthy as long as their content is easy to distinguish. If you feel JPG is the way to go moving forward, you are free to use it, but I'm going to continue using PNG because of the resizing advantage, and because it's more convenient for me to keep using it.
You should have a section titled "Elite Dangerous Wiki options. Send me an email when..." at the very bottom of the Email tab in Preferences. That section has a list of four options, one of which is "...a daily summary of total views is ready", which should be what you're looking for.
We'd still like to convert these infoboxes into portable ones. If required, I can provide a bot to replace the commas (;) by a more regular <br> in all pages of the MaterialInfobox.
It seems to be the only task, although I can also slightly improve the CSS to make it look closer to the current non-portable infobox. Would you approve the usage of a bot like this one to perform this?
Please let me know if there is anything else you'd like to know about Portable Infoboxes! Yada 19:42, May 7, 2020 (UTC)
A bot could be acceptable (for me at least, our bureaucrat SpyTec might have other thoughts on this matter; he hasn't been active recently, but you should give him a ping just in case), but MaterialInfobox also automatically sorts the recipe links by type icon and alphabetizes them, as you can see on Arsenic. If you compare the material articles to their underlying code, most of them don't have the lists pre-sorted because they rely on the automatic sorting, and the conversion to portable infoboxes breaks that sorting. One of the main objections SpyTec had to converting our remaining non-portable infoboxes was the loss of that kind of convenient functionality.
Obviously, the sorting can be done manually if need be, but if your bot is going to go through and replace semicolons with line breaks, can it also sort the recipes at the same time? If it can, I can give it my approval. Otherwise, I'll still have to manually edit each article to re-sort them, which would defeat the purpose of using the bot.
Hmm, is the alphabetical sorting really necessary? I'm not sure if this is something that grants a lot for readers or anything.
It could be done with a semi-automated solution though (we would still make the edits manually, but use alphabetizers like this one), with a different result. A standard alphabetizer would result into the left side (compared to the right one which is current), which sorts more on the base of the template rather than the link name. That still gives a similar result, because the logos are sorted. Would that be good enough alphabetization, if you really want to keep it?
I'll also ping SpyTec then - and normally you won't have to do anything manually!
It always surprises me that Portable Infobox still to this day has no scripting support to help with these sorts of things. Portable infobox solves a lot of problems but at the cost of higher barrier of entry for editing.
Alphabetical sorting is definitely a QoL feature since it makes it easy to glance. We can maintain manually, but as with all things accidents may happen and entropy may take its course without supervision - our script eliminated this.
I approve of having a bot to do menial conversion tasks, preferably to also sort the list. I don't mind the icons being moved for the alphabetical sorting.
Among many projects, it's been very busy for me as an Helper these last two months - but Vanguard still considers to migrate Elite Dangerous Wiki's infoboxes.
After our research, there is no real way we could use to alphabetize automatically all the lists in the MaterialInfobox - even by using a bot - but a semi-automatic option is possible, if we use sites like the one I linked above. We'd have to copy/paste all the lists that are within the |knownuses= variable in the MaterialInfobox to make sure this is alphabetized in some sort of a correct way. All the bot could do then is to replace the ; by a standard <br>.
It'd be pretty time-consuming for me to do that alone. Is that something you'd be interested to do too? At least if we could share the task, the 140 pages using the MaterialInfobox could be done faster. If you also think it's too time-consuming, we'll understand. Let me know what you think of it!
If migrating our infoboxes is mandatory, then I suppose that's an acceptable compromise for MaterialInfobox. I could probably knock out the alphabetization in a day or two if the only manual work involved is copy/pasting. Just let me know when you need me to start.
That still leaves the issues with the remaining three non-portable infoboxes, ShipInfobox, StationInfobox, and SRVInfobox. Will you be attempting to migrate all four infoboxes at once, or only MaterialInfobox for now? If you plan to do all four, then we still need to find solutions to prevent ShipI, StationI, and SRVI from breaking.
sorry to bother you this way, but I couldn't find another way to contact an amministrator directly.
Following this discussion on reddit some users would find useful to have a section that shows the weapon convergence (along with color-coded information of the hardpoints size) for each ship on this wiki.
I (and other users) can do the legwork, but I'd like to have greenlight from a moderator about adding the relative subsection (I think it would be a subsection of Outfitting) for each ship page before proceeding.
It's not a bother at all. Posting to my message wall is the best way to contact me.
Details about ship hardpoint positioning and convergence fall under the Overview section on each ship page, there's no need for a separate section or subsection. In fact, most ship pages already have a paragraph about hardpoint positions, so feel free to add some details to those.
As for images illustrating the hardpoint positions, I think we already have that covered with CMDR Arithon's unofficial blueprints (Anaconda blueprint). If you think those aren't detailed enough, I'd be fine with adding a more detailed image to each page's Gallery section provided you can bump up the quality from the example image you included in your Reddit post. You mention in that post that you can make improved images, so I'd like to see one first.
Also, for future reference, I make a point to be online at least once a day, but you should allow up to 24 hours for me to respond to any questions. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
Thanks for the reply. Don't worry I have no rush in this matter. Antoher admin contacted me on my personal wall so I just thought to ask him as well.
About the hardpoint disposition IMO there's a huge difference about describing the HP location in broad strokes and showing exactly where their convergence is in the hud. When it comes to chosing a fighting ship the HP convergence is one of the main criteria used to select the most fit one. This is particularly important in tharghoid hunt, where having an high number of HP converging to an heart is mandatory, but it is also very relevant for bounty hunting, PvP and all other fighing scenario. In many ED communities a lot of pictures of the hud are passed around from time to time when a discussion on a ship convergence is made. I think that this is a perfect example of an information that should be present in this wiki.
My proposed solution is to add a picture of the hud with the convergence color-coded as in: S-green, M-blue, L-red and H-purple. You can see an example here . This is just an example for the Cutter, maybe a cropped down version where only the HP convergence is shown is preferable.
What I don't want is to add yet another picture in the gallary for this part. This way it will remain likely unoticed and also this won't allow me to put a description of the color-code used, making the whole work useless. What I want is to insert this image among the description of the ship. Ideally I'd move the paragraph about the hardpoint description in a separate sub-section (called Harpoints Convergence) along with the convergence image. This, however, involves modify the layout of all the ship pages, that is why I want to discuss the matter with an admin before proceeding.
Okay, I see what you're going for. An image like that of each ship's HUD with the hardpoint positions marked would be useful information, and since you're using a screenshot of the game itself that is only lightly edited to highlight a specific detail, I wouldn't have a problem with it being added in the main body of the article instead of the Gallery section.
But shouldn't the description/key of the color code for the hardpoint markings be included in the image itself somewhere (I would suggest a box in one of the areas of the image showing empty space, or a bar beneath the screenshot)? The markings and the key are integral to each other, so it would make more sense to ensure they can never be separated. Readers are going to be examining the images close-up to see the hardpoint position markings anyway, so having the key be right there in the image would be ideal.
As for spinning hardpoint positions/convergence out into its own section or subsection, I don't see the need for that layout change given that the main thrust of your proposal is to add an informative image to each page to bolster the existing text explanations. While understanding convergence is important for combat, it's not significantly more important than any other ship characteristic. Hardpoints can be explained in a paragraph or two at most, and the Overview sections are intended to encompass precisely that kind of info.
One last thing: I would appreciate it if, in addition to including the color key, every image met a few simple quality conditions. First, upload them in .png format if possible, and second, make sure that the screenshots generally reflect a "default" or non-customized ship (replace personal ship names like "Skywalker" with the ship model name since those can be seen in the HUD, use the original ship paintjobs since some ships have parts of their hulls visible from the cockpit, no custom HUD color schemes, and no cockpit livery items).
After you add the images to the rest of the ship articles, I'll go through and make other formatting/consistency changes to the Overview sections as needed. Some ship articles like Imperial Cutter haven't been proofread in a while, while others like Krait Phantom are more or less satisfactory, and now is good time for me to check them all systematically. So as long you add the images, I'll take care of any layout wrinkles.
Just a notice that I've finished uploading the pictures of all the ships in the game (with one exception). The sole ship missing is the cobra Mk4, which I lack the access to.
Another cmdr should be able to send a pic of it anyway, so in case I will complete the set.
The sole inconsistency you should notice is that in the case of the Medium hp I noticed that 0,0,255 blu is quite hard to spot against the black background of the space. So I changed it to something lighter (I believe 128,128,256) however I had done half of the ships already. I'll replace the old pictures in the next days, provided I find a way to easy replace an uploaded picture on the wiki (the interface is not helping). In any case all the pictures are internally consistent (the legend has the correct color in every case) so it's just a matter of Inter-pages consistency, nothing more.
Edit to add: I've made a reddit post about it (here https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/htz1dm/now_all_the_ships_in_the_wiki_have_a_colorcoded/ ) and people made me notice that the colour palette used is difficult to follow for colourblind people. For this reason I've updated the legend. Now the hardpoints are both color and shape-coded. You can find examples of the new version in the page of the corvette and the Cobra Mk IV. Please let me know your opinion on that since I'm gathering feedback atm. If the new format is better I'll update all the ships to the new format in the next days.
The new version looks fine to me, and since it's more accessible, I'm all for it.
It would be a big help if, instead of uploading the new versions of each image as completely separate files, you uploaded them under the same file names as the old ones. This would automatically update the images displayed on the ship articles, meaning no need for you to re-edit the articles and no need for me to go through and delete the old images. If you go to a file's page (such as here), beneath the image preview are three tabs; click on the middle tab, "File History", and beneath that there is a link that says "Upload a new version of this file"; click that, and then upload the new image as usual, while taking care not to change anything in the "Destination filename" field.
Added a comment with a purchase location for someone to edit onto the page.
Only later did I realize that Taipan can be bought pretty much anywhere it seems.
Would you be willing to delete the comment (and this message) so they don't clutter the site?
Would do it myself but don't have permission yet.
Edit: Just noticed Ymdred16 comment down the page so worse case I might be able to handle it in a few days.
Hi, I like most of the changes on the frontpage. Can you re-add the Twitter feed list? Because it shows important Twitter updates by Frontier. The Activity list is useful for a quick overview of the latest wiki activities. Featured video is useful to highlight important videos for visitors.
Thanks! It was something I started working on last year and forgot about for a few months. I think it turned out well.
According to Fandom staff, those other features are apparently clutter. Fandom's stats on traffic flow and eye tracking indicate that in general, a majority of traffic on a wiki's main page only goes to the top navbar links (which already has a direct link to Wiki Activity at the top of the Explore tab), the search bar, and buttons accompanied by images that link to important pages. Slideshows, videos, polls, blogs, "featured" content, and Facebook/Twitter feeds each have extremely low engagement (plus the Twitter feed here never worked for me on Firefox or Chrome even without an adblocker, it left a big empty space). Most people ignore elements of the main page that don't take them deeper into the wiki itself, and Fandom recommends making the main page less "busy" to focus traffic.
But I took your suggestions into consideration and made some additions that I feel strike a good balance. I added direct links to the official game and developer Twitter accounts to the MainPageED section (we didn't have a link to the dev account before), and created the MainPageVideos section to showcase the game trailer and a featured video, in this case the Fleet Carriers reveal that was previously featured.
No, it's a high traffic page and a popular target for vandals. However, your account (which I assume is new) should be auto-confirmed in two or three days, which means you'll automatically gain permission to edit most protected pages.
If you don't want to wait, you can tell me the purchase locations and I'll be happy to add them for you.
Passing on a message from Exigeous; he'd (and we'd all actually) wouldn't mind meeting and talking with you. Feel free to hop into either Discord and drop us a line. I know Ex was looking to work with you about his own site.